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#10526462 Jan 15, 2015 at 07:35 AM
Mythic Raider
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Despite the fact that we still had 13 people online in raid last night, we continue to lose members for various reasons. We effectively lost 4 660+ DPS in one night but this doesn't mean that we can't continue. In trying to figure out why so we can do something about it, i'll give the reasons given below:

1. backstabbath: different views on progression (not to sure what)

2. Blmorph: wants to rejoin a friends guild suddenly after being back 1 week

3. Zeddik: work schedule preventing attendance

4. neurotak: something about 3am raids.

5. Hysin: no reason given, but was complaining about having to run normal


So there you have it. I'll leave you all to make your own minds up on all of that. From the official reasons given there does not even appear to be a problem, but clearly there must be. This makes it impossible to find a way of preventing this from happening again.

Again as I said on mumble last night, lets not get involved in background gossip or make assumptions or petty bitching over nothing. We need everyone to stay with us in order to rebuild so if you have a REAL concern, bring it up directly instead of bouncing your thoughts around in your groups.

If anyone has a problem, be direct, be strong and brave about it and be upfront and say what you mean. Give a real reason for leaving and stop being so bloody soft about this !! We will continue to bleed players unless the indirect gossip/ bitching does not stop behind other peoples backs. I believe that this gossip and some public QQ about our situation is the real reason why a few people have pulled out, but they just wont own up to that. It really is days of our lives stuff if this is true.

The good news is that Picklecat is staying and ALSO has up to 3 excellent raiders willing to join us from tomorrow which brings us one step closer to mythic. I was also encouraged that the raid was relatively smooth last night considering who we lost.

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#10528943 Jan 15, 2015 at 11:46 PM
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"excellent"
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#10531191 Jan 16, 2015 at 08:29 AM
Mythic Raider
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So what are you saying? they were not?

I guess last night was their trial. previously they raided with top end guilds according to pickecat

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#10532939 Jan 16, 2015 at 08:40 PM · Edited over 2 years ago
Mythic Raider
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The Healer Nilea Did great for someone who never really has done Hm befor and

The pally dps was one of the stronger dps.

Kielzor makes comments like they're not good but these guys actually showed up on time not an hour later expecting a position in the raid, you're a hunter you're expected to pull high volume dps number, but in the end you're still dead weight when you show up an hour late every raid
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#10533057 Jan 16, 2015 at 09:17 PM
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It's a good thing people like Kielzor leave your/the guilds team. They stagnate it with their 12 yo attitude and lack of raid commitment.

People like that stop progress and won't last in a progression HC guild.
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#10536369 Jan 17, 2015 at 04:08 PM
Mythic Raider
1791 Posts
reincarnates the guys you have seemed perfect to me to be honest based on what others told me.

After speaking to gap and bruiser I'm more than happy to stick around and just keep plugging away with the guys we have left and go from there.

If we don't make it out of heroic or carry a few people, this does not bother me personally at all. it stresses me out though when other people make an issue out of it and I think it may not be a problem now anyway with the people who are left.

The thing is that everyone who has ended up top dps in the guild was pretty much carried at first. there is potential in everyone to improve their abilities and we shouldn't be crushing them at the start. Give people a chance and they can end up being the best players we have ever had.

our criteria right now should be getting people with good attendance who have a good attitude towards others. In fact the pleasant nature of those remaining is the main reason I'm sticking with it.
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#10540242 Jan 18, 2015 at 04:02 PM
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and i thought women bitched and gossiped a lot.....men (or little boys as some appear to have been) are way worse.
im vorps wife.....beware my wrath
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#10541135 Jan 18, 2015 at 10:18 PM
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Like I told you on the day, I informed Vorp that I was going to be an hour later every Wednesday and Thursday and even asked him if that was going to be a problem and if he wanted me to not attend raids. I have been in heroic progression guilds and stuck with them (Dark Bargain realm first 10man in ToT and died out to reform asterix in SoO who went 13/14 before they disbanded). The uninformed slander is quite funny cause you have no clue and you just say what you think.
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#10544106 Jan 19, 2015 at 01:06 PM
Mythic Raider
27 Posts
Blah blah blah. STFU. Move on. People who have left should not have access to forum.
To eat or not to eat.... THAT is the question.
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#10545325 Jan 19, 2015 at 09:10 PM
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So you can talk shit that isn't even true behind our backs? Typical... Plebbers gonna pleb. Come back when you guys actually get good.
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#10546955 Jan 20, 2015 at 03:26 AM
Mythic Raider
22 Posts
Even if you did tell vorp you should of told other officers as well, and for your remark of telling us to get good, you should maybe look at yourself first. for your ilvl and the all know it talk you under perform massively.

So after say that Kielzor, please stay off this forums no need on having you on here anymore. thankyou
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#10549551 Jan 20, 2015 at 05:17 PM
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After I realised how pathetic this raid team was I stopped trying. Good try though mate.
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#10549696 Jan 20, 2015 at 06:13 PM
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Probs should do what Bruiser said. Block the people who left/got kicked.

Would fix any forum trouble.
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#10549743 Jan 20, 2015 at 06:37 PM
Mythic Raider
22 Posts
i removed all the people but cause he has his own acc he can still write stuff, i did everything i can do
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#10549755 Jan 20, 2015 at 06:42 PM
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Ah k nps,

Didn't realise someone had tried it already.
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#10549839 Jan 20, 2015 at 07:06 PM
Mythic Raider
1791 Posts
just for future reference you should be able to click on members and hit the little bin icon next to someone to remove their membership and prevent them logging into the site.

I didn't do it because I was hoping it wouldn't be needed.

hopefully we are going in a new direction anyway and away from elitist attitudes. I think where we went wrong recently is we invited a few people to our raids based on performance alone and we really need to screen people harder to see if they will be compatible with a casual guild.

The fact is that anyone can reach a higher level of performance if they care enough about it. It shouldn't reflect the real ability of a person or influence how we treat them. Sometimes its a fine line though eh. that's just my 2c

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#10549863 Jan 20, 2015 at 07:13 PM
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Yeah, what you said's a really good point.

The only reason I left after that first raid I went to last week, was because of certain people making the atmosphere not like it was back in MoP/SoO. I knew if I stayed I would of opened my mouth, I have a hard time being patient with people like that in a raid.

I xferred to a US-Alliance realm the day before they all left :/ ($60.50).

I definitely would come back if you guys look to be picking up with numbers in the near future, otherwise I'll have to hold off due to $.
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